The controversial plan to end state pre-school provision in the Isle of Man sparked a heated exchange of words during House of Keys questions today.
In a supplementary question, East Douglas MHK Brenda Cannell asked Education Minister Peter Karran if he'd visited any of the pre-schools before his department's decision had been made.
When Mrs Cannell felt she hadn't had a proper answer from the minister, she pushed him for clarification.
This was his response:
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